I had an interesting discussion at my friend Deb’s site that lead to the question of whether lying was permitted, even encouraged, in the Qu’ran. The principle is “Taqiyah”. I also looked up what the Christian Bible says about lying . So today I will pose a moral question:
Does God’s guidance ever allowing lying, for example if it means saving a life?
1) I found a Muslim study on Taqiyah.
http://www.al-islam.org/taqiyah/1.htm
He who disbelieves in Allah after his belief in Him, (is the liar) except he who is compelled while his heart remains steadfast with the faith (has nothing worry). But who opens his breast for infidelity; on these is wrath of Allah, and for them is a great torment.
“This verse of the Qur’an refers to the incident when ‘Ammar bin Yasir (May Allah be pleased with both) had to utter some words against Islam to save himself from the Quraishite infidels.
It clearly allows hiding one ’s true faith when one is in danger of one’s life. This rule is called taqiyah.”
2) I also looked up what the Christian Bible says about lying.
a) Doing a Google search for Bible verses about lying I found Proverbs 6:16-19
16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
b) I also found an interesting discussion on whether lying is ever permitted by the Bible, even to save a life.
http://allanturner.com/lying.html
“First of all, one is not under any obligation, morally or otherwise, to give an answer to the gunman. Jesus did not sin by refusing to answer some questions asked of Him (cf. Matthew 27:11-14; Luke 23:8,9), and neither do we! Secondly, as God’s Word instructs, one ought to do unto his neighbor as he would have his neighbor do unto him. In this case, this might entail preventing or subduing the potential assailant, if possible. But under no circumstances is one under any Biblical obligation to aid, answer, or assist the evildoer.
Now, let’s consider the case of Rahab. What Rahab did in assisting the spies to escape (viz., she lied) was wrong, and consequently, it is nowhere praised in the Scriptures. Those who use the case of Rahab to justify lying, simply “err not knowing the Scriptures, or the power of God” (Matthew 22:29). Neither Hebrews 11:31 nor James 2:25 commend Rahab for lying. Instead, she is commended for the faith she exercised in believing God. Likewise, when David, an adulterer and murderer, was identified as a man after God’s own heart, one can be sure that these two sins were not being recommended to those of us trying to live godly lives. And maybe—notice that I said maybe—if the aforementioned denominational preacher understood this (i.e., that adultery is condemned in God’s Word and is, therefore, always wrong), then maybe—again, I said maybe—he wouldn’t be so concerned about conditioning his flock to lie for him whenever they see some man chasing him with a shotgun.”
A long discussion follows, read it if you have the time.
Conclusion:
“Is it ever right to lie? Absolutely not! The Christian must recognize lying for the evil it is and never try to justify it under any circumstances, no matter how difficult they may be. Nothing will destroy our influence quicker. No confidence can be placed in a liar. The Christian is instructed: “Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth” (Ephesians 6:14). But, at the same time, let us make sure we understand the difference between Webster’s definition of a lie and God’s definition. ”
Question – Does God’s guidance ever allowing lying if it means saving a life?
My perception is that a Christian is never permitted to renounce their God, even if it means they, or their family, will die. My guess is that a Christian can withhold information, tell less than the whole truth.
The Muslim prinicple of Taqiyah does allow a Muslim to renounce his faith with his mouth, to save a life, because Allah will know that in his heart he is still faithful.
I can’t think of a lie I wouldn’t tell to save another person’s life. I will guess that if someone put a gun to my head, and demanded I procliam that I believe in God, I probably would. If you don’t have a gun you will have a fight on your hands.

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July 15, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Debs
Very timely post Ed….my brain is mush, I’ll be back in the morning…sleep tight!
July 16, 2009 at 12:58 am
lovewillbringustogether
From the excerpt you quote lying does not seem to me to be in any way ‘encouraged’ but if in danger of your life and you are forced to lie (say to a tormentor you don’t believe in your God, presumably because the tormentor believes in a different one and will happily kill you (and others like you or in your company) simply for your professed faith) then it may be permitted to lie to save your or other’s lives. With the proviso that your heart still knows and professes the Truth of your God.
This cannot be put in the same context as Jesus saying that it is not what goes into a man’s mouth that defiles him but what comes out of it that defiles him for what comes out of a man’s mouth comes first from the heart.
i agree with your interpretation of the Qu’ran (although i am NO expert on it, merely going by what i have read so far) – in the case of Taqiyah in the Qu’ran a man’s heart (faith, spirit) must remain pure even if he makes a statement he knows to be untrue under extreme duress so as to allow the life of the faithful and/or innocent to continue.
As for Christian’s – if we are to always follow God’s Will then clearly we are not to do what He hates – unless we have evidence to show that God lies at some times/circumstances?
To the best of my knowledge God has not lied to anyone at any time.
So if we are to follow him we are never to lie… however we are also to never break a single commandment of God either and i do not know of a single christian who has never broken a single one of God’s Commandments with the possible exception of the original model – so wheredoes that leave us? we have all sinned so does that mean we are all screwed? should we be expected to never lie, steal, covet, dishonour our parents, take the name of God in vain ever again while we remain human??
Nice in theory impossible in practice.
The best we can hope for is to be pure in spirit while ‘accepting’ (but not encouraging or continuing to build up in us) the fallibility and ’sin’ of our flesh that will be forgiven if we are sincere in our Faith in our hearts.
And in attempting to eliminate the ’sins’ we have caused to build up in our body while at the same time building up the body of Spirit (through knowledge/understanding of Christ IN us) so that we are lead more by it than by the body of flesh and of the earth.
<B
July 16, 2009 at 11:01 am
Debs
Proverbs 6:16:19 ” 16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
Pretty self-explanatory about how God feels about it…yet there are several examples in the Bible that it seemed to be acceptable. Secular statistics say that 90% of Americans are not truthful under varying circumstances….then there are us Christians….it’s becoming epidemic to lie. The Bible is filled with admonitions against lying.
I think the two main reasons we lie are usually rooted in fear or pride. Fear shows a lack of trust in God to take care of the situation. And pride, desiring man’s approval instead of God’s.
To me it is never ok to lie, but we all do. It is a very serious matter with God…read the account of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5….it is one of those sins like any other that grieves God’s heart, we do our best to live a holy life, and know that our sin is covered if we repent and turn from it.
July 16, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Indian Lake Papa
I was asked one time if I have any vices – I said absolutely not – except maybe I lie.
Deb hit it right on the head – the story in the bible that scares me the most is the story of Ananias and Sapphira – God detests lying.
I don’t believe I would ever denounce my God – why, do you think we are headed that way ??
July 16, 2009 at 6:19 pm
edfromct
I agree Papa, there can be not doubt that the Bible speaks in many passages about how much God detests lying.
I can understand how Deb, and other Christians, when viewing the world events through the lens of Christianity, believe that the wars of faith taking place in much of the rest of the world, will some day come to America, and that Christians need to be prepared to defend their faith to the death. I don’t agree this will happen, but I can understand how someone else could.
July 16, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Debs
I do Papa….we have to be prepared to die for our faith…am I being overly-dramatic, no…I’m just saying that some day we may have to go through what the rest of the world already is suffering… Love you!
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July 16, 2009 at 6:10 pm
edfromct
Love, I think we agree that the passage I quoted in the Qur’an, about Taqiyah, emphasizes the point that it is how you feel in your heart that counts, not the words coming out of your mouth. We can say we love God/Allah, or even renounce him under the threat of death, God/Allah will know how you feel in your heart, and that is how a you will be judged.
I will guess a Muslim must also however recognize what effect his words will have on other believers. I will have to look up what guidance the Qur’on and Hadith (oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad) have to provide on that subject.
Love and Deb, I think you are both right as well that if you follow the guidance of the words in the Bible you will never tell a lie, even if it means sacrificing your life, or the lives of people you love. I am sure that most people of faith will sacrifice their own lives for their faith. The harder question, which Deb is now asking in her blog, is how prepared are we to sacrifice the lives of others.
That while God would never tell a lie, we humans do, as well as commit other sins. You must accept that you are less than Godly, will commit sin. All you can do than is seek forgiveness, and work as best you can to avoid committing more sins.
July 18, 2009 at 4:35 am
lovewillbringustogether
and to the latter ‘end’….
establishing good cause and reason (gaining the Wisdom) within each one of us to choose to follow the desire of our (His) Spirit over the desire of our own hearts and flesh – always!
We can never be 100% trusting of our own imperfect (incomplete) desires, but must come to trust totally in Him and the Spirit within each one of us that is of Him (Christ/Holy Spirit).
<B
July 19, 2009 at 2:14 pm
edfromct
For a Christ Follower finding the best way to listen the Holy Spirit within them is the difficult, perhaps life long, task. Saying you totally trust in God is easier than actually demonstrating by your actions that you do. You may lie to yourself, the Holy Spirit won’t.
Perfect is a word we use a lot. I think Atheist and Christ Followers can agree that perfect understanding is beyond mankind. A Christ Follower believes that perfection will be found in Heaven with God.
July 18, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Rain
As new covenant christians we live under grace and not under the law. Therefor all things are permissible but not all things are helpful (1 Cor 10:23). I will sin, because I am not yet perfected, but the important thing for me is to keep focusing on Jesus and to keep trying to be more like Him.
July 19, 2009 at 2:40 pm
edfromct
Rain, Jesus is a very good role model that even us Atheist should strive to be more like.
Mankind does “lie” because we are less than perfect.
In reading the poems, and post in your blog, I think you are off to a good start on your journey of understanding.